Alpen rundfahrt (05 bis 08 September 2003) ENGLISH

Hi Finn

In Switzerland there are 2 section of fines:

1st: so called "Ordnungsbusse" which cover the following netto speedings (after the subtraction of the tolerance):
On the autobahn: 25 km/h
on the road outside village: 20 km/h
inside villages: 15 km/h
In these cases, there is a simple fine up to CHF 280.- and some fees for the administration (up to CHF 150.-).

2nd: all other speeding will be decided by an administration office and depends on:
- if you have already had some speeding fines in Switzerland
- if you have had other contacts to the police
- if you are a person with a Swiss driving licence or not

About a difference of 45km/h on the autobahn means a fine of about 1 month income if you are a Swiss habitant.
You are not, so it will be something around CHF 1500.- to 2500.-

Best you contact a lawyer, if you want to find out excactly.

In/near which town/village, on which road have you been flashed?
Because the penalty also depends on the "Kanton".

Regards
Hermann

The scans of the letter are here:

http://www.stalx.dk/ticket1.jpg
(front of letter)

http://www.stalx.dk/ticket2.jpg
(back of letter)

It would be great if someone would take the time to do a translation for me

It says that you have been 45kph too fast. Tolerances have been deducted from this value.

You have to send them back the information about the driver of that car within 10 days. They will send you a so called 'Strafbefehl' (the ticket) with a 'Rechtsmittelbelehrung' (advices if you want to make an appeal against the ticket).

But 45kph is really ugly! Best was to look out for a lawyer who knows swiss law...

Rgds,
Dominik

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Original geschrieben von ZweifelM5
Hi Finn

About a difference of 45km/h on the autobahn means a fine of about 1 month income if you are a Swiss habitant.
You are not, so it will be something around CHF 1500.- to 2500.-

Aye Caramba !!
If there is any way to avoid paying that, i will try it..
The 45kmh difference on Aotobahn: Does it still count as that, when it was on a piece with an 80kmh speedlimit?

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In/near which town/village, on which road have you been flashed?
Because the penalty also depends on the "Kanton".

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It was on the A2 motorway, inside a tunnel.

The Letter says:
"Lausen, A2, Tunnel Arisdorf, Talspur.
Basel"

Oh, and btw., there was no notice from the motorclub in Flensburg, like there was last year regarding the speeding in Germany.. dont know why, maybe they just changed their policy on this.

Huhh, that doesn't sound very nice... You seem to have big luck with the radars outside Denmark? Last year Germany this year Switzerland - are sure there's nothing more to come from Italy or France from the memorial run??

I am with Dominik on that one: contact a lawyer who knows Swiss laws - he can surely tell you if you need to react in any way or if it doesn't matter for you as long as you aren't traveling to Switzerland anymore:-(

Very interesting that they directly contacted you this time - maybe the german officials saved your data after the motorclub send it to them.

Konstantin

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Kons said:
Huhh, that doesn't sound very nice... You seem to have big luck with the radars outside Denmark? Last year Germany this year Switzerland - are sure there's nothing more to come from Italy or France from the memorial run??

I would'nt exactly call it "Big luck"
Maybe i just have to start paying attention to the roadsigns? (wich would be boring).
In Denmark there are no stationary radars on the motorway, so ignoring the speedlimit is pretty normal.. driving for years and years without ever getting a ticket even if driving fast, is what i'm used to. Ofcourse it is a completely different story when off the motorway.

I certainly hope there is no "letters" on the way from the Memorial Run.. getting of with handing the French police 90,- Eur. was pretty cheap, but being detained for two hours when we where kinda in a hurry was'nt exactly what we had hoped for..

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Very interesting that they directly contacted you this time - maybe the german officials saved your data after the motorclub send it to them.

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That could be the case, or the police can have actually contacted the motorclub, they just did'nt mention it to me this time.

Anyway.. i will have to think it over before i decide what to do (contact lawyer or other..)

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Original geschrieben von Kons
... or if it doesn't matter for you as long as you aren't traveling to Switzerland anymore:-(

Well, i will definately be travelling to Switzerland next year, unless the Tour de Alps is moving to France, i think i was the first one to pay the entry fee for next years event

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Raymond said:

The final decision has yet o be made, but please reserve the first WE of September 2004 for the next E34 ///M5 Alps meeting.

Will do.. the Memorial Run organizers are talking about early Sebtember too, im hoping i can convince them to move it a week or two..
Looks like next years event will include some Nordschelife fun, and then a blast to Budapest

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Raymond said:
Hello Finn,

I have read all about that on the memorial run and m5board forums, but I won't move later then the first WE of September or else we face the risk of closed passes.

Raymond,
It was the Memorial event i was hoping they would not plan for first WE of sebtember. Not the Alps tour.
Btw. i have tried convincing Ralph (Vadas1) from Memorial Run that he needs to take part in next years Alps meeting, he was positive to the idea..

France sounds great btw.. any chance we will get to drive some of the same passes we see the riders do battle on every year, during the Tour de France cycling?

Regarding the letter i got from Switzerland:
This evening i have spoken to some friends about the case, and think there is a fair chance we have come up with a solution that will prevent the Police from issuing a ticket to me. I will let you know how it goes

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Original geschrieben von Dick
Finn.

Sorry to read about your troubles with the Swiss law.

Did you recieved my E-mail?

Grt. Dick

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Yes, i got it.